Andavari
Jun 17 2008, 08:58 PM
I definitely won't ever be using Firefox 3 Final because all it can do on my system is crash one minute after another. This hearkens back to the days when Firefox was first released when I could never run it due to constant crashing, and I had always been wondering just when that day would return and I've found out it was today. Even trying to go into Tools->Options->Advanced causes an immediate crash, as well as other areas too.
Luckily I had a full complete backup of my settings from 2.0.0.14. So it looks like I'm going to be in the find a different alternative browser market starting tomorrow and will give Opera another whirl, and if that doesn't work I'll be strictly using IE or an IE clone like Maxthon, etc.
Tom419
Jun 17 2008, 09:12 PM
I just installed FF3 but of my 2 profiles the one I use all the time is now missing the back and forward buttons. It is missing some other menu buttons as well. My other profile does have the items that I mention. Can I uninstall FF3 and get my FF2 back with my bookmarks and such in tact?? Or... because I use Febe do I reinstall FF2 and then do a FF2 backup?
Is it possible to move my bookmarks from one profile to another in FF3. Actually Maybe my entire profile. Febe 6 Beta wouldn't restore an older version of Febe
Thanks
Anthony A
Jun 17 2008, 09:59 PM
QUOTE (Andavari @ Jun 17 2008, 04:58 PM)

I definitely won't ever be using Firefox 3 Final because all it can do on my system is crash one minute after another. This hearkens back to the days when Firefox was first released when I could never run it due to constant crashing, and I had always been wondering just when that day would return and I've found out it was today. Even trying to go into Tools->Options->Advanced causes an immediate crash, as well as other areas too.
Luckily I had a full complete backup of my settings from 2.0.0.14. So it looks like I'm going to be in the find a different alternative browser market starting tomorrow and will give Opera another whirl, and if that doesn't work I'll be strictly using IE or an IE clone like Maxthon, etc.

I am going to wait for a while before I update to FF3. I have the portable version on my machine so that I can play with it and not mess up my FF2 install. I didnt find 3 to have anything that would want to make me update to it plus none of my themes work with it yet.
Why not try the portable version from portableapps.com? You have nothing to lose.
Andavari
Jun 17 2008, 10:00 PM
If you remove FF3 you "may" be able to reinstall FF2 with everything intact, but don't quote me on that.
When I removed FF3 I opted to do a clean install, then I restored all my settings from a backup.
Actually I didn't wait for tomorrow, I'm now using Opera 9.50, and so far I'm liking it, however I have the Maxthon 2 installer handy just in case I change my mind.
Andavari
Jun 17 2008, 10:03 PM
QUOTE (Anthony A @ Jun 17 2008, 03:59 PM)

Why not try the portable version from portableapps.com? You have nothing to lose.
Well I'm not even messing with it, since the installable FF3 did nothing but crash. So in short I'm completely done with Firefox.
And like you said none of the themes work, and I only used one called Winestripe. It also didn't work with some add-ons like Dr. Web Antivirus Link Checker. Since the add-ons are now all signed or whatever and HTTPS I've also removed my Firefox XPI Installer Add-on I had available in my signature.
Corona
Jun 17 2008, 10:44 PM
Hmm, I had no problem and my MozBackup worked great for some profile stuff. Of course most of the addons aren't ready yet, if they ever will be. Just a few work for now. Forget about the Addon site & most Mozilla sites, they're all stomped. And of course you know that anyone who knows anything about support prolly has a few drinks in them by now so they couldn't care less.
Tom419
Jun 17 2008, 10:51 PM
QUOTE (Andavari @ Jun 17 2008, 05:00 PM)

If you remove FF3 you "may" be able to reinstall FF2 with everything intact, but don't quote me on that.
When I removed FF3 I opted to do a clean install, then I restored all my settings from a backup.
Actually I didn't wait for tomorrow, I'm now using Opera 9.50, and so far I'm liking it, however I have the Maxthon 2 installer handy just in case I change my mind.
Would a system restore be an option??
OK just did another toolbar update and now have everything
EXCEPT the
back and forward buttons
Corona
Jun 17 2008, 10:57 PM
Did you save your FF2 profile folder? If yes, then do a clean uninstall of FF3, install FF2 and put your old profile folder into it.
If not, clean uninstall FF3, install FF2 and you'll be starting from square 1 again, no bookmarks or extensions.
Andavari
Jun 18 2008, 12:11 AM
QUOTE (Tom419 @ Jun 17 2008, 04:51 PM)

Would a system restore be an option??
That isn't going to fully help you, you'll end up with a jumbled mess of restored .exe and .dll files for v2, and have other data files belonging to v3.
Tom419
Jun 18 2008, 12:18 AM
Corona
Where would I look for it?
Andavari
I tried doing a another install but it got me back in the same place. I only need the back / forward buttons back (they are grayed out in Customize)
Or I need help in copying and pasting my info from one profile to another.
Thanks everyone for the help
Tom419
Jun 18 2008, 12:22 AM
Just noticed I do have a backup. Chrome edit plus with profile backups. Just don't have a clue what to do with it
Corona
Jun 18 2008, 12:26 AM
FAQ Check near the top about profiles and changing profiles.
Caldor
Jun 18 2008, 07:00 AM
I havent had any noticeable bugs on my FF3. I like the gecko and jscript speed, but I dont like how FF3 is running in default priveldges unlike IE7 which runs in protected mode by default.
Humpty
Jun 18 2008, 08:29 AM
Just tried FF 3 installed within a Returnil session and inside Sandboxie which will save any uninstalls if I don't like it and which I don't!
No noticable speed difference and one of my addons, yahoo mail checker, doesn't work properly.
I told Mozilla about a bug a while back in that if I go to Bookmarks - Bookmarks Toolbar Folder, right click it and select - Open All in Tabs then all your other bookmarks open instead of the Tabs Bar bookmarks and it still doesn't seem to be fixed or it may be my setup?
FF 2 is running fine and fast here.I have tweaked it a fair bit and atm I intend sticking with it for quite a while, but will probably give FF 3 a run every so often to see if it improves.
Tom419
Jun 18 2008, 09:14 AM
QUOTE (Corona @ Jun 17 2008, 07:26 PM)

FAQ Check near the top about profiles and changing profiles.
All fixed guys
Thanks
Stupid me, when going into customize I had seen that the buttons (back/forward) were grayed out. I now tried dragging them over and it worked.
Sorry!
res45
Jun 18 2008, 02:50 PM
I have Returnil Virtual System installed on my PC and use it when I'm trying out new software ie the Foxfire 3 browser I installed it and it was pretty fast compared to Ver. 2 but allot of the add-ons,themes have not been update as of yet.
After playing around with it for awhile and deciding I wasn't quiet ready to take the Ver. 3 plunge,I just rebooted my system and I was back to using Ver. 2 like nothing had happened.
If you don't have Returnil you can just use add and remove to uninstall 3 reinstall Ver. 2 and use your FEBE restore option backup to set Ver. 2 back to where it was before depending on if you have auto backup turned on with FEBE or you have done a recent manual backup. It functioned fine on my system just wasn't able to use my add-ons at this time,I will probably just give ita month or two and try it out again.
Anthony A
Jun 18 2008, 02:54 PM
You people that want to play with FF3 without messing with your FF2 install just use the portable version. It is the exact same as the install version except it has all it's files in one folder and does not need an install. You can run it on your machines without touching FF2. No need to jump through all the hoops you are doing just to try out FF3 without messing with FF2.
Humpty
Jun 18 2008, 04:27 PM
The portable version's cache is set to zero and with no cache browsing is much slower.
Anthony A
Jun 18 2008, 04:37 PM
QUOTE (Humpty @ Jun 18 2008, 12:27 PM)

The portable version's cache is set to zero and with no cache browsing is much slower.
That is easily fixed by going into the settings and changing that. In my experience setting the cache to 0 increased speed because FF is not using the disk for cache it's using RAM and RAM is faster than disk any day off the week. The only reason the portable version is set to 0 is to cut down on the read/writes to the thumb drive and decrease wear on it and increase it's life span.
Even if you couldn't set the cache to something other than 0 so what. The portable version is still a completely risk free way to try out FF3 with out touching FF2. When you are finished with it just delete the folder and be done with it.
Andavari
Jun 18 2008, 04:53 PM
QUOTE (Anthony A @ Jun 18 2008, 10:37 AM)

The portable version is still a completely risk free way to try out FF3 with out touching FF2. When you are finished with it just delete the folder and be done with it.
That's very good advice!
1984
Jun 18 2008, 07:01 PM
I love firefox, but version 3 was a mess for me. no forward/back buttons, half the extensions didnt work, it seemed slower, and kept crashing. i uninstalled it and went back to the old firefox and no problems.....for a change i will be using opera a bit, but unfortunately it doesnt work on my 64 bit vista.
New_Age
Jun 18 2008, 07:11 PM
FF3 for me i most certainly didn't like at all. it was a bit slow, Add-ons didn't work, and the Theme was just ugly. i went back to FF2
Anthony A
Jun 18 2008, 07:13 PM
I also found FF3 to be slower than 2 so I don't know where all this BS about a huge speed increase is coming from. FF2 is faster than FF3 and Opera 9.5 simply destroys both of them. I also hate the new bookmarks manager. It's just confusing and I don't like the new "awesome bar". The only thing awesome about it is how awesomely annoying it is. I am not surprised by this release. I knew it was coming by the way they butchered the addon site.
Anthony A
Jun 18 2008, 07:15 PM
QUOTE (1984 @ Jun 18 2008, 03:01 PM)

I love firefox, but version 3 was a mess for me. no forward/back buttons, half the extensions didnt work, it seemed slower, and kept crashing. i uninstalled it and went back to the old firefox and no problems.....for a change i will be using opera a bit, but unfortunately it doesnt work on my 64 bit vista.

What do you mean no forward or back buttons? I have them.
Talldog9
Jun 18 2008, 11:35 PM
I'm forced to write this in IE because pos Firefox crashed as soon as it loaded. I managed to keep it open, but it won't load any page, and trying will freeze it. Opening the bookmarks sidebar freezes and crashes it as well as trying to open the add-ons window. Safe mode does the same, except worse. Closing it closes the window but the process keeps eating more and more memory until it crashes numerous other running apps. This happens with v3, and v2. Killing firefox.exe has become routine. If it were not for the addons I would dump firefox permanentally as it really is a pile of crap and gets worse with every update.
1984
Jun 19 2008, 01:04 AM
QUOTE (Anthony A @ Jun 18 2008, 01:15 PM)

What do you mean no forward or back buttons? I have them.
The green arrows at the top of the screen...they were completely gone and nowhere to be found. super annoying.
Talldog9
Jun 19 2008, 01:43 AM
^Were they in the customize window? Mine were
Corona
Jun 19 2008, 01:52 AM
If you have the extension (add-on) "Toolbar Buttons" you will (I don't know how) have access to many different defunct extensions just by dragging the button(s) to any accepting toolbar. I think it's a leftover freak from the beta trials that somehow survived.
Anthony A
Jun 19 2008, 02:04 AM
QUOTE (Talldog9 @ Jun 18 2008, 09:43 PM)

^Were they in the customize window? Mine were
Mine were on the tool bar like they should be. Very weird that they were missing on other people's.
1984
Jun 19 2008, 02:36 AM
Nope they werent even in the customize window. Thats what bugged me the most so i just dumped it and went back to ff2......and on to opera 9.5.
Andavari
Jun 19 2008, 05:38 AM
Opera's browser market share should be going up now. Hopefully Mozilla fixes the FF3 issues, but they've lost me forever.
Corona
Jun 19 2008, 01:57 PM
FF3 is banished to the land of wind and ghosts.
Anthony A
Jun 19 2008, 05:31 PM
The FF addon site is just useless right now. I feel like I am on dial up with a 20 year old computer trying to use that site. It's ridiculous. Probably all the band wagon boys trying to download extensions all at once.
GSDIZ.COM
Jun 19 2008, 07:02 PM
I'm using FF2.0.0.14 and I'm happy
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anonymous_user
Jun 19 2008, 07:38 PM
Firefox 3 is working well for me. The improved memory usage is greatly welcomed.
Jawbax
Jun 20 2008, 05:17 AM
I'm quite happy with FF3...however would happily go with Opera if it had something like Adblock Plus.
YoKenny
Jun 20 2008, 05:33 AM
QUOTE (Jawbax @ Jun 20 2008, 01:17 AM)

I'm quite happy with FF3...however would happily go with Opera if it had something like Adblock Plus.
Opera with the HOSTS file can't be beat:
http://hosts-file.net/?s=Download http://www.mvps.org/winhelp2002/hosts.htm I manage them with HostsMan and its browser speed up proxy HostsServer:
http://www.abelhadigital.com
Andavari
Jun 20 2008, 08:31 AM
QUOTE (YoKenny @ Jun 19 2008, 11:33 PM)

Opera with the HOSTS file can't be beat:
Plus Opera does have a built in site & image excluder called Blocked Content. I've imported thousands of blocked sites directly into Opera after the MVPS.org HOSTS file just wasn't enough.
YoKenny
Jun 20 2008, 11:14 AM
QUOTE (Andavari @ Jun 20 2008, 04:31 AM)

Plus Opera does have a built in site & image excluder called Blocked Content. I've imported thousands of blocked sites directly into Opera after the MVPS.org HOSTS file just wasn't enough.
As my daughter would say
Keewlness
Tunerz
Jun 20 2008, 12:15 PM
Firefox 3, in my computer, just performs faster/better than Firefox 2. It starts faster, loads sites quicker, and consumes less memory in my observations.
I just wish that Opera had a granular control of ads and scripts like in Adblock Plus and NoScript, without sacrificing startup time. Then I would be a happy camper.
CTskifreak
Jun 20 2008, 02:51 PM
Just installed...with the few addons that I do use, I couldn't be happier.
Adblock Plus
Forecast Fox Enhanced
Gmail Manager
IE Tab
NASA Night Launch Theme
Memory usage drops so much when minimized. Loving it, and will not change.
AJ
Anthony A
Jun 20 2008, 06:07 PM
Every screen shot I see of FF3 or skin preview on the addon site has an over sized back button. I don't have that. I set the icon size to small or large and I don't have an over sized back button. Is that only on Vista or what?
Jawbax
Jun 20 2008, 08:59 PM
QUOTE (Andavari @ Jun 20 2008, 10:31 AM)

Plus Opera does have a built in site & image excluder called Blocked Content. I've imported thousands of blocked sites directly into Opera after the MVPS.org HOSTS file just wasn't enough.
I wasn't happy with this and found it buggy my side (my luck)
Tom419
Jun 20 2008, 09:25 PM
QUOTE (Anthony A @ Jun 20 2008, 01:07 PM)

Every screen shot I see of FF3 or skin preview on the addon site has an over sized back button. I don't have that. I set the icon size to small or large and I don't have an over sized back button. Is that only on Vista or what?

I have no problem with the sizing of the BACK button as well. I'm running Vista
Corona
Jun 20 2008, 09:31 PM
If you select to use small icons the Back button becomes the same size and format as the Forward button.
Anthony A
Jun 20 2008, 09:46 PM
QUOTE (Corona @ Jun 20 2008, 05:31 PM)

If you select to use small icons the Back button becomes the same size and format as the Forward button.
Yes but I tried it on both the small icon and big icon setting and neither way has the big back button that I keep seeing in screen shots. I am on XP so is the big back button an Vista thing?
Anthony A
Jun 20 2008, 09:54 PM
QUOTE (Tunerz @ Jun 20 2008, 08:15 AM)

I just wish that Opera had a granular control of ads and scripts like in Adblock Plus and NoScript, without sacrificing startup time. Then I would be a happy camper.

I have no problem with the Opera content blocker. I add a filter list from the several available and I am very happy with the ad blocking.
As for NoScript that functionality is built right into Opera as well. Just disable java script globally in Opera settings than enable it on a per site basis with Opera's Site Preferences feature. Site Preferences is one of Opera's best features. I use it to manage cookies to. I set Opera to delete new cookies on exit but disable that on sites I want to keep cookies for so they are white listed.
burtman
Jun 20 2008, 10:26 PM
I am truly baffled! Firefox has been my rock for some time now, but after trying FF3 I'm as wary as I ever was with IE.
I'm a bit late on the uptake, but I installed FF3 on my work mc today - instantly disappointed cos it reported 80% of my extensions failed to work
Anyway, I thought maybe it'll take a while for the developers to update them - the main concern was my fav - IETab didn't work (no updates avail. etc.) - a lot of my work sites need IE to work properly, so I thought - bin it - re-install FF2; did so and it all crashed ...! Again, and again - only FF safe mode worked ...
Somehow, I recovered FF2 (numerous reboots etc.) and was able to resume work (with FF2) and forgot about it until I got home.
I had sent the link to download FF3 to my home address (before all the hoo-ha), and for some reason (morbid curiosity perhaps?) I installed FF3 and it only complained about 10% of my extensions.....WTF?? I know I have some different extensions at work & home (such as at home I like the Dilbert add-in [can't have that at work!], etc.), but most are common such as IETab (which did not complain - in fact it updated..!)
What is going on?? My home mc is Vista (32 bit), my work mc is XP - why the difference??? I'm writing this now in FF3 (may sound even weirder but it is physically different looking [and not just Vista diifs.] from FF3 on my work mc)
All my fav. extensions work sweet on Vista, but not on XP - huh?? Why?
I can understand the other way round - what happened to FF3?
tcoffeep
Jun 20 2008, 11:09 PM
QUOTE (burtman @ Jun 20 2008, 10:26 PM)

I am truly baffled! Firefox has been my rock for some time now, but after trying FF3 I'm as wary as I ever was with IE.
I'm a bit late on the uptake, but I installed FF3 on my work mc today - instantly disappointed cos it reported 80% of my extensions failed to work
Anyway, I thought maybe it'll take a while for the developers to update them - the main concern was my fav - IETab didn't work (no updates avail. etc.) - a lot of my work sites need IE to work properly, so I thought - bin it - re-install FF2; did so and it all crashed ...! Again, and again - only FF safe mode worked ...
Somehow, I recovered FF2 (numerous reboots etc.) and was able to resume work (with FF2) and forgot about it until I got home.
I had sent the link to download FF3 to my home address (before all the hoo-ha), and for some reason (morbid curiosity perhaps?) I installed FF3 and it only complained about 10% of my extensions.....WTF?? I know I have some different extensions at work & home (such as at home I like the Dilbert add-in [can't have that at work!], etc.), but most are common such as IETab (which did not complain - in fact it updated..!)
What is going on?? My home mc is Vista (32 bit), my work mc is XP - why the difference??? I'm writing this now in FF3 (may sound even weirder but it is physically different looking [and not just Vista diifs.] from FF3 on my work mc)
All my fav. extensions work sweet on Vista, but not on XP - huh?? Why?
I can understand the other way round - what happened to FF3?
I dunno what went wrong with you. Currently, I use the following add-ons :
Adblock Plus
Adblock FilterSet.G Updater
Basics
Download Statusbar
Feed Sidebar
Firebug 1.2.0b3
FireGestures
Flashblock
ForecastFox
Foxmarks Bookmark Synchronizer
Nightly Tester Tools (currently disabled. its only there when I decide to test those supposedly 'incompatible')
Open IT Online
User Agent Switcher
IETab
Skins - Aquatint Black Gloss, Past Modern.
I've not had any problems so far. Generally, what most people seem to come across, (ie - crashes, slowness, etc) I've not found. I've had nothing but smooth sailing since beta 5. It's odd.
Tom419
Jun 20 2008, 11:12 PM
QUOTE (tcoffeep @ Jun 20 2008, 06:09 PM)

I dunno what went wrong with you. Currently, I use the following add-ons :
Adblock Plus
Adblock FilterSet.G Updater
Basics
Download Statusbar
Feed Sidebar
Firebug 1.2.0b3
FireGestures
Flashblock
ForecastFox
Foxmarks Bookmark Synchronizer
Nightly Tester Tools (currently disabled. its only there when I decide to test those supposedly 'incompatible')
Open IT Online
User Agent Switcher
IETab
Skins - Aquatint Black Gloss, Past Modern.
I've not had any problems so far. Generally, what most people seem to come across, (ie - crashes, slowness, etc) I've not found. I've had nothing but smooth sailing since beta 5. It's odd.
Would you please explain just how the
IE Tab works? I have it but not quite sure what to do with it. Can I get windows update through it?
Thanks
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