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StevenFTW
Ever noticed that on vista it doesnt defrag system volume information, WMITracing.log and SCM.EVM.

Well to drag these what you do is:

1.Enable the Super Administrator.
2.Then Defraggler on that windows account.

To enable Super Administrator you simply.

1.Go on Start, All programs, Accessories, Right click on Command Prompt and the Run As Administrator.
2.Type: "Net user administrator p£ssw0rD" (no quotations and use spaces) (basically type it as it is).
3.Type: "Net user administrator /active:yes" (again no quotations and use spaces) (basically type it as it is).

If you ever want to disable the Super Administrator you simply.

1.Go on Start, All programs, Accessories, Right click on Command Prompt and the Run As Administrator.
2.Type: "Net user administrator p£ssw0rD" (no quotations and use spaces) (basically type it as it is).
3.Type: "Net user administrator /active:no" (again no quotations and use spaces) (basically type it as it is).

This works on my computer and im using Windows Vista Home Premium SP1.
davey
QUOTE (StevenFTW @ Jun 28 2008, 07:14 PM) *
Ever noticed that on vista it doesnt defrag system volume information, WMITracing.log and SCM.EVM.

This works on my computer and im using Windows Vista Home Premium SP1.

Hi Steven,
I am not even going to get into "defragging" do's and don'ts and "why's' and "therefore's".
What I do want to say is Thank You for going out of your way to share a bit of information and knowledge with us.
This is at the heart of the need and importance of having the freedom of information to all on the Internet.
Members like you are very important to all the other members of this forum.
In the past year or so it has been pretty hard to get information or methods and such as regards Vista and its various forms.
Luckily with the increased development of the Internet,users are getting new information quicker than in the past.
But it does take people like you to share with us.Thanks for the details as to what edition and version.
We have all seen how important that basic information is to other users.
WELCOME TO THE FORUM !!! biggrin.gif
Thanks for becoming a member to share this,
smile.gif davey

tcoffeep
I've noticed that when I use CCleaner prior to defragging with Defraggler, WMITracing.log and SCM.EVM stops them from being defragged. However, if I load up my computer with a restart after cleaning, and defrag, it gets everything but the System Volume Information areas.

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In the root of every drive is a folder called "System Volume Information". If your drive is NTFS, the permissions on the folder are set so not even administrators can get in there. What's the big secret?

The folder contains information that casual interference could cause problems with proper system functioning. Here are some of the things kept in that folder. (This list is not comprehensive.)

* System Restore points. You can disable System Restore from the "System" control panel.
* Distributed Link Tracking Service databases for repairing your shortcuts and linked documents.
* Content Indexing Service databases for fast file searches. This is also the source of the cidaemon.exe process: That is the content indexer itself, busy scanning your files and building its database so you can search for them quickly. (If you created a lot of data in a short time, the content indexer service gets all excited trying to index it.)
* Information used by the Volume Snapshot Service (also known as "Volume Shadow Copy") so you can back up files on a live system.
* Longhorn systems keep WinFS databases here.

Taken from http://blogs.msdn.com/oldnewthing/archive/...1/20/55764.aspx

Essentially, I'd be wary about doing anything with this folder. One way I clear it, is by making a manual system back-up, and deleting the rest of them, as mentioned here. Although, I think defragging in safe mode might help, too. I've not tried that route, though.

Hope this helps some.
Plum
QUOTE (StevenFTW @ Jun 29 2008, 09:14 AM) *
Ever noticed that on vista it doesnt defrag system volume information, WMITracing.log and SCM.EVM.

Well to drag these what you do is:

1.Enable the Super Administrator.
2.Then Defraggler on that windows account.

To enable Super Administrator you simply.

1.Go on Start, All programs, Accessories, Right click on Command Prompt and the Run As Administrator.
2.Type: "Net user administrator p£ssw0rD" (no quotations and use spaces) (basically type it as it is).
3.Type: "Net user administrator /active:yes" (again no quotations and use spaces) (basically type it as it is).

If you ever want to disable the Super Administrator you simply.

1.Go on Start, All programs, Accessories, Right click on Command Prompt and the Run As Administrator.
2.Type: "Net user administrator p£ssw0rD" (no quotations and use spaces) (basically type it as it is).
3.Type: "Net user administrator /active:no" (again no quotations and use spaces) (basically type it as it is).

This works on my computer and im using Windows Vista Home Premium SP1.

Thank you Steven,
I also have Vista Home Premium and have just tried your Net User Administrator Command Prompt suggestion and have found yes indeed two of the three files Defraggler wouldn't defrag have now been defragged. However still Defraggler hasn't defragged the C:\ System Volume Information file which appears as: {ab6f4f74-3f83-11dd=828d-00a.... C:\ System Volume Information and size is 9,784,36....
That is now the only file not defragged on this computer.
Another seagate image backup file being a full backup of my laptop, which includes all Vista program files, i've found is the only other file defraggler of can't defrag however its an image file an image that includes the Toshiba hidden partition named "0". Reasoning behind my purchasing the Seagate 750 gig external drive was two fold, firstly it was to save a copy of the Vista Program files and secondly to have backup of Fax Machine share ware program ($30) being the only program i could locate that was capable of installing a fax driver in the printer folder in Home Basic or Premium versions of Vista. I use Defraggler on both drives and have found the program does an excellent job. Plum

davey
Hi Guys,
Just a little note to thank you all for your input on this subject.

Also wanted to point out that many experienced "defrag" users don't even bother with these files as they are constantly being deleted and created everyday.
As you know Vista System Restore files can be huge depending on the options you have set.They are this large because Vista creates better restore points than what was available in WinXP.It takes advantage of the newer PC increased speed,RAM capacity and storage capacity.
A better approach to personal "optimization" is to analyze how much space is really needed for your System Volume files and adjust accordingly. http://bertk.mvps.org/html/diskspacev.html Vista users
http://bertk.mvps.org/html/diskspace.html WinXP users

However don't expect much performance benefit.Let's face it a tidier looking "defrag" map does not mean better system performance.
In most cases you are better off just leaving Windows do its thing as far as System Volume files and defragmentation is concerned.
Some few users need to "defrag" often.
Most users need to "defrag" less often to benefit from better system performance for a longer period of time than most believe.

WMI tracing logs can be turned off. http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa826686(VS.85).aspx
CCleaner deletes these logs anyhow.Why bother having them except for "special" occasions.

Best wishes,
smile.gif davey
joexoxeoj
2-3 times a year on my home pc i decide to do some cleanup. i delete all the junk, disable system restore, and reboot (this removes all old sys restore points). then i run CCleaner followed by ad-aware and then a full defrag. While i dont recommend it for a regular user, if your really that interested you could try disabling system restore so that the files are not locked and then enabling it again once you are done.

i find that very often i forget to turn it back on, but personally i dont use it. i have it turned to the lowest storage setting possible. Hey, im good at what i do, but im not stupid enough to tempt fate.
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