Link to PC World blog on IE7 discussing pros and cons (seems like more cons than pros) with a link to the Internet Explorer site to download a copy. Quote from the site:

"Developers and IT pros: Download and evaluate the Internet Explorer 7 Beta 2 Preview — and explore the improvements in security, user interface, and development platform."

It is available to everyone.

PC World (via Google News)

It is an 11.28 meg download preceeded by a Flash movie.

Hmm... download an unstable browser made by Microsoft that has an 11.28 MB installer, or stick with my stable Firefox browser whose installer consumes under 5 MB. I wonder?

IE sucks. I need say no more.

Anyway, setting my feelings aside, thanks for the news and link, Mike!

IE7 Beta 2 Preview Open to DoS Attack

It still looks a helluva lot better than IE6, I would get Firefox, but the users on this PC have to use eBay toolbar....

By the way, this isn't beta 2. It's a "Beta 2 Preview".

I know, but I still really want to get Firefox, there is no ebay toolbar for it though, thinking of getting it anyways and using it as the primary browser, but use IE when I have to....

I know, but I still really want to get Firefox, there is no ebay toolbar for it though, thinking of getting it anyways and using it as the primary browser, but use IE when I have to....

I installed this. I had a lot of issues with it to.
here is a post I made as LS.

I agree with rridgely, the interface is horrible. Even with a minimal number of features displayed, it takes up way too much room on the display. On my PC it was a lot slower than Firefox, or any other browser for that matter. The most common comments about IE 7 Beta 2 Preview seem to be that "maybe they'll (fix) (add) (improve) (remove) this (issue) (bug) (oversight) before the final release." Like Lokoike said, why bother when there's Firefox?

wow. this is the worse piece of s**t that i have ever used. they use an ugly tabbed interface, no menu toolbar(well there is one but you cant move it to the top). i have to say that IE6 is much much better than this.

Here are some E-Bay extensions I found for Firefox. Maybe they will offer you similar features that your IE E-Bay toolbar gave you?

Try them out; there's bound to be something you like. I would hate for you to be stuck with IE for that reason alone!

i like the interface... quite clean... but not used to it since it is removing away from the traditional Windows apps... and moving towards WinVista style...
seems like MS is doing fine as IE7 have many new and interesting functions... not always useful... maybe except for Saturday...

but there is 1 thing in FireFox that will prevent me from discarding it... the Ctrl+F...
thats also the reason why i didnt switch to Opera Browser either... even it seems to be a bit faster and with better functionalities...


i hope to see the Ctrl+F and tabbed browsing functions everywhere (bear with me here )... including Office Word etc.

Ctrl+F is implemented in opera cept it's a bit diffrent from Firefox. it practically does the same thing(search with every key typed) but it doesnt show a toolbar like Firefox does. instead it changes the Search Bar(near the address bar) to use "Find In Page" instead of Google or w/e the search thing is.

*Gasp*

Why hope to see it in Office?! You should be hoping to see it in OpenOffice! Then you can have all of the tab goodness, without the cost. And OpenOffice can make PDFs too. I wonder if MS Office will ever incorporate that function?

I find it funny that it has taken MS this long to start thinking about organizing related files and programs with tabs and such. I mean, take Corel WordPerfect for example; they've been using a tabbed word processor for years! And Mozilla has been doing the tabbed browser for quite a while as well. MS is really dragging their feet when it comes to updating things that really matter. They are too concerned with making pretty icons, or giving Vista a 3D GUI, to worry about petty things, like stable, easy-to-use software.

ya... i mean generally all Office Apps... MS Office... OpenOffice... including AbiWord etc...
i love tabbed!

i also hope to see tabbed in Explorer... MSN Messenger (Live Messenger <- i dont like the name) conversion... etc... tabbed browsing EVERYWHERE!
i know that the Messenger Plus provide this function... but i dont feel safe to install it... also adviced by some friends in this forum...

MS have tabbed in Visual Studio.NET 2003 and i personally dont need those nice nice cute cute icons... if i ever get WinVista, i will switch to Classic Interface (Win2000)

Yeah, tabbed is awesome. Another thing that MS really needs to do to Windows is let you move around programs in your Taskbar, the same way you can with tabs in Firefox 1.5+. Windows has had a Taskbar for over ten years, and you still can't even drag items around on it! I mean, seriously, what is the hold up?!

But, if I started listing everything I dislike about Windows and MS apps in general, the CCleaner forum would turn into a black hole from the sheer mass of all of the text. So I won't.

maybe u can start 1 topic titled: "What I Dislike About MS"
then send it to MS... maybe it may be a suggestion board to them from members of CCleaner...

Heh, yeah, I bet they'd appreciate that! I'd be willing to bet that MS's spam filters filter out anything negative about MS, so that the only emails they get are "MS is soooo great!" and "I love your buggy beta browsers" etc.

We could make that topic, title it "I <3 MS" and then send it to them.

not very sure if they do tht... but ti would be nice if they take negative feedbacks...
there are things that i dislike about MS... but there are few things that i appreciate... just some personal perferences...

That's fine if you like MS. Obviously, I am biased against them, so even if they did come out with something great, it would take a while for me to register it. But I do have a lot of complaints, and I would consider most of them pretty valid.

My biggest problem is the whole Trusted Computing/DRM deal that Windows is integrating into Windows. I feel that MS can't beat other companies with a superior product, so they ultimately just want to make it impossible for those companies to support common file types, such as .wma and .doc .

I feel that if MS makes products that are incompatible with other products, and they charge a high price as well, I have no reason to respect them or their products. My philosophy in a nutshell.

no biased towards MS... i dont like them nor i hate them...

one example of things i like is the Windows Defender... even through it is not as good as the GIANT Antispyware... and currently having a lot of stability and usability issues but it seems to be the best antispyware that offer at no charge... hope it will get better and better in time to come... at least they decided to offer it for FREE... then about 1 thing that i dislike about MS is their MSN Messenger... so bloated... Windows Messenger so ugly... they cant design a nice IM... at least not for now... maybe Live Messenger will do it...?

i agree that MS products are expensive... but so as other apps like Adobe... Macromedia (which is now known as Adobe)... thats why i normally goes with freeware or open source programs (or education edition of shareware)...

of coz MS products are not the greatest... thats why i replace many of their apps with alternatives...

oh anyway... i hate software companies registering new extensions on their newer version of program... thats make the older version unable to open files created in the new version...

Totally agree. Both MS and Adobe make bulky programs that are generally sluggish, huge, and terribly expensive. I like some Adobe apps because of the features they offer (Photoshop, for example), but Adobe apps are almost always not intuitive, and are difficult to figure out. Microsoft apps tend to be a bit more easy to learn, but their products are resource hogs, and are often more focused around looking pretty than working well. Your windows may use nifty fading effects, and your shut down screen may have that cool grayscale look, but Explorer will often crash without warning, and your Recycle Bin icon will show paper when there are no files in it.

Another thing, as far as I'm concerned, lack of support for older products is totally unacceptable.

Concerning the apparent dos attack venerability, i read about this on BetaNews and the discussion which accompanies the story is suggesting its not actually a dos attack just a common web exploit, either way it is a bug.

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ahh cha ccha cha cha.

OK, Internet Explorer is not as simple as firefox nor as easy to use.

It only works on computers with service pack 2 or better installed, which is a shame, since service pack 2 opens a new hole for every one that it pretends to fix.

If the service pack doesn't do any good, there is no need to apply it.

Given microsoft's track record, the service pack is exactly that, NO GOOD as hackers have proven that even the smallest exploit such as windows meta file can be turned into a nightmare when they get done rewriting the scripts.

I don't know if there is a god or not, but if there is and they will solve our problems, I am willing to worship them since man has proven that they are in general, liars, theives, adulterers and cannot solve the overpopulation, disease, spyware, virus, nor fix the holes in their software. Even if there is only 1 error per 1,000 lines, then in microsofts more than 40 million lines of code, isnt that better than 40,000 errors waiting to happen?

Peace, and thanks to those that ARE good people,

P.S. Get the IE tab extension for firefox that enables a right click open in IE tab option (still within firefox) so you never have to touch that pesky, browser helper object and search redirect riddled IE again.

i wont say which browser is actually easier to use... it depends on the user itself... but its sure a shame that IE7 only support WinXP w/SP2 and Win2003 Server... but MS said "some of the security work in IE7 relies on operating system functionality in XPSP2" i dont know about this... but i believe that everyone should upgrade to SP2 if possible...

you cannot completely blame MS for all the flaws in Windows OS... just that too many people around the world uses it...
if now, let say everyone uses Apple Macintosh OSX, the same thing will happen... people will start to hack Apple Macintosh OSX... their Safari web browser...

i read somewhere online that some flaws are actually from the patch itself, as this disclose some security issues that existed in Windows OS, so hackers can look into this area and create another flaws...

Really? That is cool, I'd never heard of that before. Does it work with getting Windows Updates as well? Thanks for the tip, it will be downloaded immediately.

ya... it does work with Microsoft Update as well... i have been using it for quite some time...

Firefox will not allow you to run executables until they are downloaded, unlike virulent Internet Explorer that not only allows it, but is dangerous if it is a virus trying to auto execute. Firefox is cross platform and works on windows 95, 98, me, 2000 (home and pro), 2003 server, xp, linux, apple, and is only 5 megs.

11 megs for IE? What are they thinking? Only 3 main platforms supported? What about people that are too poor to upgrade? No encrytion when sending things? Not too secure, perhaps they should learn a lesson from firefox. Keep it simple, fast, easy to use, SECURE.

Firefox will work with or without a service pack. You can bookmark tabs in firefox, reopen hundreds at a time if needed. Clear ALL your tracks with a single click instead of about 20 or more in IE. Wait, let me find my history button, ok, now I have to hit ok and delete and I still got today's history that it didn't delete. Let me go somewhere else to get the cache, and a totally different place for cookies etc.

Popup blocking? Not as god as firefox. Need IE in firefox? Download IE tabs FREE.

Internet Explorer is bad for allowing any program to come along, attach itself as a toolbar (Usually
spyware ridden) redirect searches, allow browser helper objects, cannot do many things compared
to Firefox (search feeds, find as you type, highlight all terms) IE cannot hold a candle to searching in firefox (edit find in this page) Why is this a good feature?

Examples: If looking at www.tigerdirect.com for a pentium 4 computer, I wish to eliminate celeron processor based pc's.By highlighting all celerons, I don't have to read every computer description and I can find what I am looking by avoiding all highlights. In a freeware search that has trial programs listed, I can highlight the term trial to show which are not free, conversely, I can highlight freeware or $0. Basically, you save time and time is money when using firefox. I have made an html Bible that has all the old and new and complete bible in html.

Opening it in firefox lets you find a phrase as you type IMMEDIATELY without spending years finding what you are looking. People are UNABLE to deny if you say a thing is in the bible. Those are some examples. But I really don't read the bible much because it is only an english translation and therefore full of errors. It is only useful as a guide. This is so other people can see that it is NOT error free.

Service pack? Secure? More secure? In this day and age, when vulnerabilities are discovered EVERY DAY, more secure is not secure enough. IF Microsoft doesn't fix this soon, they will be
forced bankrupt as viruses, spyware, hacks, and identity theft ARE ON THE INCREASE instead of DECREASE like one would expect if they were really more secure. Having a service pack installed that fixes SOME holes while opening 2 NEW holes for every hole it fixes is not my idea of being more secure.

Thanks, but no thanks. I refuse to be blamed because I did not apply the LATEST patch (that leaves still more holes open) if something happens. Bad coding can NOT be blamed on or excused on the consumers using it!

When Microsoft gets serious (doubtful since $$$ is involved) and patches all the holes (doubtful since it would destroy norton, mcafee, and slews of other cash cows) THEN I will be interested in
applying the patches.

The US government said that IE posed a security risk and recommended firefox. NASA gives up
ENTIRELY on IE in favor of firefox. http://blog.tcg.com/tcg/2005/12/nasa_ditches_ie.html
Government, Internet Explorer poses security risk, third party browser such as firefox recommended, http://www.governmententerprise.com/news/175802504

Ok, well, here is the deal "You can't blame Microsoft for all the bugs in their os, simply too many
people use it"

1) Windows contains bugs.
2) Windows is written by Microsoft
3) We cannot put the bugs that were written by Microsoft (possibly inadvertently) on the users

Conclusion: If Microsoft writes the code for Windows, and Windows contains bugs, the blame
can only be passed to the one who is at fault: Microsoft. Trying NOT to still doesn't erase the
fact that the bugs are there. Consumers certainly did not code the bugs, so they are not to
blame for finding what was already there.

When are we gonna learn to take responsibility instead of blaming someone else? How can
Microsoft's bugs be OUR fault?

what are you talking about... nobody is to be blamed anyway... of coz we, as consumers dont blame ourselves for the poor codes written by MS... WE PAID FOR THE SOFTWARE!!!
the only time we should be blamed is when we get a stupid malware installed by opening email attachments etc... we should be responsible for our own actions... right...?
i dont know why IE7 installer weigh at 11MB... maybe there are tons of codes in there... it wont be my default browser now... it wont be even the stable version is released later in the future... i will stick with FireFox unless something horrible happen... then i will look for something else... maybe IE... maybe not...
i actually believed there are reasons behind for IE7 to support only only 3 platform... like Win95, it have finished its product life cycle phase... and Win98 etc have entered its extended support phase... but ultimately it wont support other OS for sure...
i wont blame Windows OS for the reason it contains bugs... as all software out there available have...
of coz FireFox is good... if not many of us wont be using it...
enjoying a good discussion with you...

Good points

1) Microsoft coded bugs (intentional or not), so they are to blame for producing it.

2) We bought software that we (probably) knew contained bugs, so we are to blame for using it.

3) I hope these bugs don't cause the end of the world any time soon, what happens if there appears a time
error or glitch? Is it possible for boards to get semi-fried and still work just enough to intro random bugs from faulty memory read/writes that then gets passed and shared to others (progressively degenerating softwares)?

I had a pc once that I worked on that the modem worked just enough that windows detected it had one, but it was fried just enough so that windows couldn't really use it (one of the chips on it had fried) and it kept the pc endlessly rebooting as soon as it loaded to windows (until I replaced it with a new modem)

Conclusion: Everyone is to blame for basically everything,

The biggest bugbear for me about IE, is the lack of tabbed browsing. In the past I've installed the msn toolbar, and I downloaded IE7 beta 2 preview, and both of them DON'T do what the other non-MS browsers do: open ALL new tabs, not just some, in the same window. "Security reasons," IE says. Pfft! Until all tabs open in same window, I'm sticking with Firefox, Avant, Opera, Maxthon, etc.