QUOTE(rridgely @ Jan 12 2007, 11:57 PM) [snapback]59758[/snapback]
Sorry but the iphone is way way cooler than that phone.

(and I'm not even a huge ipod fan)
ipods are great players. For an overall experience for people who just want ease of use and no fuss they are bar none. I however don't like itunes and like my rio carbon just fine.

(my next major mp3 player will probably be either an ipod video or whatever creative has out)
Although I might just buy one of those new shuffles. A buddy of mine has one and loves it.
Its small and can clip on a jacket without being noticed so its perfect for working out or just about anything else.
I find those Shuffles to be pieces of crap "But yes the size and all is great" but still. I've seen and toyed around with the iPods and I say "NO!". The screen get scratched way... way... to easily and that with the player too. Ipods may have there battery life in order but as far as File formats and such Ehh... no, not at all.
And my DAP is an iPod killer but that's my opinion and heck that DAP is my second! But I know what's what. I just hate the fact that iPods are way over advertised and such. And yes I hate iTunes as well.