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MajoMo
The freeware JkDefrag application was just released to v. 3.6. This disk defragment and optimize utility for Windows 2000/2003/XP/Vista/X64 is better and better after resolved some bugs in Screen Save version.
  • Screen Save method: very interesting and useful attribute. By this the users don't need worry about forget anymore the defragmentation. It is made automatically when screensaver is activate.
  • GUI: like config.exe'Sysinternals app. (with PowerDefragmenterGUI) now JkDefrag has the JkDefragGui (don't needed to know the commandline options). It can to be downloaded from the Home Page - even as the recent German and French'versions.
P.S.: I knew this utility in a fredvries'post. Thanks for that fredvries.

Regards
TeeJay3800
I second that notion! JkDefrag is the best free defragmentor/optimizer you can find. The new optional GUI makes it easy to use various command line options. I use both JkDefrag and Contig on a daily basis.
CeeCee
Is this better than Diskeeper 10?
BrownSugar
I had intalled the version of Diskkeeper Lite v9 that's included in the Intel tools download. I think that installed a service, and started up at Windows (probably so that you could perform some sort of disk indexing with the program). I just stopped the service. It's a nice program, but I'm not keen on any other program that installs a service other than an AV program or Firewall.
BrownSugar
Has anyone tried this?

http://www.auslogics.com/disk-defrag/index.php

It's gotten pretty good reviews at Download.com
TeeJay3800
QUOTE(CeeCee @ Jan 22 2007, 04:45 AM) [snapback]60699[/snapback]
Is this better than Diskeeper 10?


It is much better than Diskeeper. Not only is JkDefrag only a fraction of the size (its only ONE file), it also defragments the drive as well as any program out there. Furthermore, it goes a step beyond that by optimizing the drive so that it runs faster (moving data to different places on the drive). For more info on that optimization, go here: JkDefrag
XPSP2
QUOTE(BrownSugar @ Jan 22 2007, 05:28 AM) [snapback]60704[/snapback]
Has anyone tried this?

http://www.auslogics.com/disk-defrag/index.php

It's gotten pretty good reviews at Download.com

I like it. Very fast.
MajoMo
QUOTE(BrownSugar @ Jan 22 2007, 10:28 AM) [snapback]60704[/snapback]
Has anyone tried this?

Auslogics Disk Defrag seems work nicely. You can see this topic. However it don't work in the background or in stand by and don't optimize the disk by moving the folders/files.

QUOTE(CeeCee @ Jan 22 2007, 09:45 AM) [snapback]60699[/snapback]
Is this better than Diskeeper 10?

TreeJay3800 posted about. I never tried Diskeeper - I like freeware... cool.gif It uses real-time defrag, true background processing. Don't make a data movement to optimize; if you like a real time defrag you can try the freeware IObit SmartDefrag (still BETA). To the common user like me the Screen Saver method from JkDefrag is enough - and I don't need to download 14 MB to defragment my drive (and to pay for that...).

QUOTE(TeeJay3800 @ Jan 22 2007, 07:37 AM) [snapback]60694[/snapback]
I use both JkDefrag and Contig on a daily basis.

I like also Contig (and PowerDefragmenterGUI) from Mark Russinovich.

JkDefrag add a real optimization and it is a apt defrag program! And the Screen Saver option is a corroboration from a intelligent and sagacious programmer.

The congratulations for him!

Regards
JDPower
I've been trying this out for past couple of days and am very impressed, so much so I've uninstalled DirMS (which I've been singing the praises of for a while). It also has a promising looking future - was browsing the JK forum and some kind of ordering of files to provide further optimisation is being considered for the future:

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At the moment JkDefrag only defragments and optimizes, and does not order the files because my first goal was to make it as fast as possible for daily use. But I am certainly planning to add optimization modes that will order the files.

There are many strategies to ordering files. The alphabetical ordering is one, and is a very good strategy. Others are for example ordering by last access date or last modification date, ordering by size, or ordering by boot access sequence, like Windows Vista does.
rridgely
I don't know about you all but I leave all of my desktops on 24-7. Probably 16 hours a day they are on the screensaver, so having the hd defragged everytime the screensaver comes up seems like unneeded work on the hard drive.

I've never been one to defrag my pcs all that often anyway.(at most once every 3 months or so.)
Its true you see some performance increase from defragging but I don't think you see any noticable difference in defragging every day or once a month or once every 2-3 months. Maybe I'm wrong but its never seemed to make that much of a difference.
CeeCee
Defragging every day seems to be way too often. I think once every month or two is often enough, depending are you installing/uninstalling lot of programs. Of course if you defrag i.e. every day or once a week, there's no lot of fragmentation, so the hard drive is not under heavy use during defrag process, which is generally better for the drive than defragging heavely fragmented drives.
Supaflies
QUOTE(MajoMo @ Jan 23 2007, 11:26 PM) [snapback]60849[/snapback]
Auslogics Disk Defrag seems work nicely. You can see this topic. However it don't work in the background or in stand by and don't optimize the disk by moving the folders/files.
TreeJay3800 posted about. I never tried Diskeeper - I like freeware... cool.gif It uses real-time defrag, true background processing. Don't make a data movement to optimize; if you like a real time defrag you can try the freeware IObit SmartDefrag (still BETA). To the common user like me the Screen Saver method from JkDefrag is enough - and I don't need to download 14 MB to defragment my drive (and to pay for that...).
I like also Contig (and PowerDefragmenterGUI) from Mark Russinovich.

JkDefrag add a real optimization and it is a apt defrag program! And the Screen Saver option is a corroboration from a intelligent and sagacious programmer.

The congratulations for him!

Regards


I use Diskkeeper 10 and its great, it has graphs and shows the volume of fragmentation on the drive, as far as they 30 day trial goes, all you have to do is uninstall/reinstall on the 29'th day, or before it ends. Its really great, I really notice alot of increase in speed after using it and its very fast. I only have an 80Gig hard drive tho so of course it can breeze through that like its nothing.

As far as Iobit goes, I use theyre windows care utility, its great and I think it should be an essential tool on everyones puter. I dont like smart defrag though because it has a bug that wont allow the pc to shut down the program (lets say for a reboot). The pc will just freeze until you manually close the program. They have recognized this on the forums and have yet to fix it (since the last time I used it). Also, I play games on my pc, not very intense games but games nonetheless, and I find that Auto defrag interferes with some games and makes them very laggy. I know this is because its doing its job but I find Diskkeeper is much less laggy than Iobit's tool. Dont get me wrong its a nice tool, and with some work, I bet the final version will be very nice.
n8chavez
I must admit that I very much like JKdefrag. I have their forum bookmarked. I like the fact that you can easily talk directly with the developer if there are any issues. Some above posts mentioned that they think using the screensaver as a defrag is overkill which I disagree with. It's not as if you are defragging your entire drive every time the screesaver launches, just files that have become fragmented since the last times. It takes me an average of thirty seconds per partition because my drive is in good shape. Also, there are settings that you can use to control how often the screensaver defrags. I used to use MST Software Defrag HE, and really liked that too. But this way there are no processes running in the background that take up resources, it's working while the screensaver is on. With htis I can make sure my disk is in good shape without any hastle, without large programs, and without needing to devote hours to defragging.
wgan
how about xp default defrager, I dont defrag my disk frequently (mostly by year), is the speed of these recommended defragers much faster than this old fella?
TeeJay3800
QUOTE(wgan @ Jan 25 2007, 11:11 PM) [snapback]61035[/snapback]
how about xp default defrager, I dont defrag my disk frequently (mostly by year), is the speed of these recommended defragers much faster than this old fella?

JkDefrag is not commercial, but its MUCH faster than the included Windows defragger. As mentioned above, it also does more than just defrag the drive too.
CeeCee
Does that JkDefrag need as much free space for degragging than i.e. Diskeeper?
rridgely
QUOTE(n8chavez @ Jan 25 2007, 01:44 PM) [snapback]60981[/snapback]
Some above posts mentioned that they think using the screensaver as a defrag is overkill which I disagree with. It's not as if you are defragging your entire drive every time the screesaver launches, just files that have become fragmented since the last times. It takes me an average of thirty seconds per partition because my drive is in good shape. Also, there are settings that you can use to control how often the screensaver defrags.

Do you honestly think your seeing a performance increase by defragging your files every time the screensaver is up? Its been pretty much proven that defragging you hard drive chronically does nothing but wear it out. Sure if its not defragging the whole drive than its probably not doing any harm but its also not doing any good. I know you like it because you don't have to wait long to defrag but it just seems like overkill and potentially problem causing. Of course we each have our own opinions. biggrin.gif

That auslogics program is pretty nice. One of my desktops has a 200 gig hd and its about 75% full, the program defragged it in probably 30 minutes or less. Much faster than the built in windows one, thats for sure. biggrin.gif



n8chavez
I guess I just don't see the point to using any other program. Here are it's upsides: 1. It only requires at most if you use all three versions of the program 800k, 2. It defrags when I'm not using my system anyway, 3. I don't have to wait to use my system; just move the mouse and I'm ready to go, 4. I can talk directly with the developer, 5. It's constantly updated, and oh yeah, 6. It's free.

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Sure if its not defragging the whole drive than its probably not doing any harm but its also not doing any good.


So if you think it's doing no good nor no harm, why not use it for the reasons I mentioned above. There are other resources to me that are valuable; ie. hard drive space. Every other defragger you could come up with required more space than that, which the exception of horrible ones like Contig and Buzzsaw. At this point, it just doesn't make sense you use anything else. Yes, as you might have guessed, I am very much a fan of command-line driven apps.
Capman
I am loving this JkDefrag program, I have been using it for a couple of months now, and put it on as many computers as I can. I am sure it makes a big difference to the computers compared with other defraggers.

I am not obsessive with it though, I don't use the screensaver option, but I have been running it once a week or so.
TeeJay3800
QUOTE(rridgely @ Jan 26 2007, 01:22 AM) [snapback]61042[/snapback]
Do you honestly think your seeing a performance increase by defragging your files every time the screensaver is up? Its been pretty much proven that defragging you hard drive chronically does nothing but wear it out. Sure if its not defragging the whole drive than its probably not doing any harm but its also not doing any good.

How does running a defragger every day wear out the drive? I run JkDefrag every night before I turn the PC off and it only takes about 4 mins. Is this really hurting the drive?
burtman
QUOTE(TeeJay3800 @ Jan 26 2007, 11:11 PM) [snapback]61093[/snapback]
How does running a defragger every day wear out the drive? .... Is this really hurting the drive?


My guess is purely physical disk head movements where the drive out - during a defrag, a disk head probably does about (don't quote me) at least a day or so's equivalent of head movement (if not more).

Just my theory.
TeeJay3800
Well obviously the head would have to move from the beginning of the drive to the end to defragment the entire drive, but I just didn't realize that was so hard on it.
n8chavez
QUOTE(TeeJay3800 @ Jan 26 2007, 05:07 PM) [snapback]61102[/snapback]
Well obviously the head would have to move from the beginning of the drive to the end to defragment the entire drive, but I just didn't realize that was so hard on it.


Again, it's not as if you are defragging your entire drive every night. By running JKDefrag every night you are just defragging the files that have become fragmented since the last time it was ran. A regular once a month defrag can take hours which means there is a lot of reading and writing going on by the heads. But this is not occurring every night. There is no need to worry.
TeeJay3800
Alright, cool. As long as the drive is not being worn out prematurely by doing this, thats all I care about. smile.gif
Capman
QUOTE(TeeJay3800 @ Jan 27 2007, 12:35 AM) [snapback]61107[/snapback]
Alright, cool. As long as the drive is not being worn out prematurely by doing this, thats all I care about. smile.gif

It could be:

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The spindle motor, also sometimes called the spindle shaft, is responsible for turning the hard disk platters, allowing the hard drive to operate. The spindle motor is sort of a "work horse" of the hard disk. It's not flashy, but it must provide stable, reliable and consistent turning power for thousands of hours of often continuous use, to allow the hard disk to function properly. In fact, many drive failures are actually failures with the spindle motor, not the data storage systems.


Taken from here.
MajoMo
QUOTE(rridgely @ Jan 24 2007, 06:32 AM) [snapback]60880[/snapback]
so having the hd defragged everytime the screensaver comes up seems like unneeded work on the hard drive.

QUOTE(rridgely @ Jan 26 2007, 06:22 AM) [snapback]61042[/snapback]
but wear it out.

QUOTE(rridgely @ Jan 26 2007, 06:22 AM) [snapback]61042[/snapback]
but its also not doing any good.
QUOTE(rridgely @ Jan 26 2007, 06:22 AM) [snapback]61042[/snapback]
but it just seems like overkill and potentially problem causing.
QUOTE(rridgely @ Jan 26 2007, 06:22 AM) [snapback]61042[/snapback]
Of course we each have our own opinions. biggrin.gif

But...
  • A defrag app. only defrag if there are something fragmented. It doesn't defrag what it is defragmented! To have or not to have a real-time defrag it is a dissimilar affair. And the Hard Disk don't stay tired... It is hard...
But...

A Diskeeper' opinion HERE.
rridgely
First off the diskeeper people well.... just want you to buy diskeeper. tongue.gif
I didn't even read the link, I don't really care what they use to market their program. smile.gif

I understand what your saying about its not defragging whats not fragmented but your still not going to get any real speed boost defragging every file on your pc that becomes fragmented every day. Sure if you want to go ahead, but personally I think its pretty pointless.

I'm not an expert on this topic, and never claimed to be, but I have some posts you might like to read.
There are only a few people on the internet that I trust pretty much any computer information from. One of these people is djlizard. Here are some good posts about this topic:
http://forum.CCleaner.com/index.php?showto...4&hl=defrag

http://forum.CCleaner.com/index.php?showto...7&hl=defrag
TeeJay3800
One of those threads brought up a good point. NOT defragging can make the drive search in multiple places for the various fragments of a file. Where as a fully defragmented drive has to search less. I guess there's two sides to this issue.
n8chavez
There are three versions of the defragger with JKDefrag; the gui version, the command line version and the screensaver version. The command line version can easily be run by using bat files. Both the command lines version and the screensaver version allow for the use of switches, for instance:
JkDefragCmd.exe [-a N] [-s N ] [-d N] [-l "filename"] [items]

When I want to do a full optimization via the command lines version, I use these switches:
-a 4 -d 1

But for the screensaver version I do not use the full optimization switch because it will wear out the drive faster. For that I use:
-a 3 -d 1

Hope that helps clear thing up a bit.
TeeJay3800
Have you tried the new GUI?

http://www.emro.nl/freeware/jkdefraggui.rar

It lets you select all the various modes without having to use the command line switches. biggrin.gif
Amit
QUOTE(rridgely @ Jan 26 2007, 10:42 PM) [snapback]61121[/snapback]
...your still not going to get any real speed boost defragging every file on your pc that becomes fragmented every day. Sure if you want to go ahead, but personally I think its pretty pointless.

Agreed. Even if there is a small performance increase it's probably nothing you will notice.

However in the long term, after using PerfectDisk (with SMARTPlacement), I no longer had fps drops in counter-strike, my fps test result in cs source increased and my scores at pcpitstop increased. No other defragmenter did this for me.
XanaTos112
sorry for the newb Q,but is this jkdefrag better than the one in windows?any pros and cons using this over windows defragger?
Capman
JkDefrag is vastly better than the standard Windows one.
The Windows one will just rearrange files so they are in the best order possible with minimum effort.
JkDefrag actually optimizes the files as well as just rearranging them.
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